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  • Brown Mountain - #BrownMountain

    Socal - Los Angeles County - La Canada NickNames: #BrownMountain

    The Brown Mountain trails are basically the same as the Lower Arroyo Seco. Take 210 West and exit Arroyo Blvd. and turn right. Go straight until you see a parking lot at the bend in the road. Find parking in the lot or locally. The parking lot overlooks Jet Propulsion Lab. There should be a road leading to a swinging gate. Go pass the gate and follow the road. This is where everyone parks, and the crooks know it, so car break-ins is quite common. So don't leave anything valuable looking in view. Thomas Guide page 535

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    • Trail UpdateA Little Rutted-Rode the trail today. It seems a little more rutted, and washboardy what with the recent rains. It's all good though.
      climber1 a 58 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized Carve(Pro) from Alhambra, California


    • Trail UpdateA Little Narrow-Have ridden this trail forever. Not as much as I used too. The single track is fun. Just wish is was a little wider on the blind curves.
      climber1 a 58 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized Carve(Pro) from Alhambra, California


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain: Best Ever!-Here is my post almost exactly one year later and Brown Mountain is the best I've ever seen in regards to scenery and fun factor.The wildflowers are near as good as last years' exceptional display.How cool to be riding with all the colors (and scent) towering over you on both sides of a single track corridor!The relentless uphill is still a burner but less so psychologically.In the past when it was a wide open road, you could see the long uphill stretches way out in the distance.Now you can't see them until you're right in them since you are in the middle of a tight singletrack fenced in with vegetation.All you can do is concentrate on twenty feet in front of you.A big thanks to CORBA for cleaning up the wash outs from the saddle to the tank.It is all rideable now and a single track heaven.As we transition into the heat season your best bet to beat a sweat fest (and dodging uphill traffic) is to start at 7:30 am.Do it on a week day and see wildlife while having the place to yourself.It doesn't get any better than this in the San Gabriel Valley.
      Michael L a 62 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Yeti ASR from Pasadena, Ca.


    • Trail UpdateLatest News Re. The "Fire Road"-This fire road is now mostly a singletrack, all the way to the top of Brown Mt. above the saddle, all of it much more fun than plain old fire road. There are some bee keepers who are trying to get permission to buldoze half way up the lower fire road so they can keep hives up there, but that is not a certain thing.
      The upper "fire road" is technically closed though heavily used and a blast to ride. The Forest Service recognizes how much it is being used and allowed CORBA, to organize a trail work day to make it safer and a little easier for multiple users to use at the same time (wider). This was just done today and will help make the Forest Service happy to keep it as it is; a singletrack. Currently they say that as long as there is no fire, they do not have plans to bulldoze the upper "fire road".
      Banner Moffat a 56 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Superfly 100 from La Crescenta


    • Trail UpdateBob R, and I rode the LOwer Brown Mountain Road this morning. The road has for the most part become a single track as it is pretty overgrown(especially near the top). There are a few ruts, and a couple of corners where falling would not be a good thing. Rumor has it they are going to run a bulldozer up it, and clean it up in a couple of weeks. It was a little tough going up, but pretty fun coming down.
      climber1 a 57 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized FSR XC Comp from Alhambra


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain Open-Brown Mountain fire road is now legally open and it has become a single track.How do we now avoid all the newbies going up on the wrong side as we go down?You would never know that the whole place burned nearly two years ago as it is grown in lush.Best wildflower displays up there in a dozen years,now in May.Very intense erosion in the arroyo as well as up Brown Mt. There is still a road closure sign up at the saddle for the upper half.It looks like a completly new ride.Enjoy while like this.
      Michael L a 61 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Yeti ASR from Pasadena, Ca.


    • Trail Updateso I understand that Lower Brown Mtn road is closed because the Upper Brown Mountain Road is a disaster. They don't want people on Upper Brown Mtn. road. Ironic, in that you can access it from the Millard side.
      climber1 a 56 year old


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-While I have seen hikers on the fire road leading out of Millard to Brown Mountain recently, my understanding is that whole area is still closed. Just this week, the forest service posted new signage at the top of Sunset Trail and Chaney Trail as it goes from asphalt to dirt.

      El Prieto is rumored to be opening in the Spring of 2011 at the earliest. There is some trail work happening this weekend.
      theadventuresport a Cross-Country Rider from Altadena, CA URL: Trail Closures


    • Trail UpdateOpen Fire Road Yet?-Does anyone know if Brown (ride road) is open. I have heard that Millard is open again. Thought about taking Brown down to Millard and up Sunset to Inspiration Point. Is this doable without getting fined? Thanks for any info/update you may provide.


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton Trail-I rode this trail last Saturday, July 4, 2009. There has not been any recent trailwork on this one-time great trail in a long time. It is so narrow from overgrowth that frequently your handlebars will be grabbed and you'll inadvertantly be heading off the edge. Very low branches and foliage will have you ducking and catching your helmet most of the time. Low-side trail washouts claim your front tire and crashes are imminent. By the time you get to the creek, you'll have scratches galore on arms and legs, and probably a good case of poison oak if you're susceptible. This trail used to be fun. Now it's just an excercise in stifling profanity.
      Kendog a precambrian year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jamis Dakar Expert from Venice, CA


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain/Ken Burton-Ken Burton is getting closed in by brush but still passable.Wear long sleeves and glasses.Poison oak is there but it did not get us.At the bottom -water is lower-not a problem,most crossings are rideable.Uphill around falls is still a a** kicker.
      Hawkeye a 54 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 08Stump from La Crescenta


    • Trail UpdateKEN BERTON 0518 2009-Trail Conditions are "OK hot/dry" someone (thank god!) trimmed the hedges in the beginning part of the trail but I guess ran out of chain-saw juice to finnish the rest of the way. This trail is super fun but definitely not for newbies! mid level and up. Switch backs in the middle are tricky but manageable the last few switch backs are hike a bike for many, after beating up your bike in the river a short climb awaits you and of course a gravely descent right after. Soon after you find yourself hiking your bike in and out of the river and through a few camp sight, follow the trail and your home free back to the JPL parking lot. Wear your safety gear for this one you'll need it!
      PMBC Crew a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized Jumpstumpee from East LA


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton Trail-Trail off Brown Mtn is in Great shape-lots of fun.Once you get down to the bottom the stream crossings were tough to ride across-we had to get off and walk most of them(deep water and lots of big rocks in the path). Did not get posion oak!! No lions seen.

      Hawkeye a 53 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized Stump from La Crescenta


    • Trail UpdateFYI big ass mountain lion is hanging around this area, maybe he's always been here but I've seen him twice in 6 months, and last thursday morning it scared the shiite out of me,very close range,awesome wild beast just strolling up the road, appeared very healthy and not afraid of me by any means, don't want to cause anxiety but it certainly has in me, make noise.
      dig slathig a 47 year old Cross-Country Rider


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton Is Sick!!!-Don't listen to the naysayers, KB is off the hinges. Highly recommend tis ride for any intermediate level rider and above. Start at Ventura and Arroyo (JPL lot) and cruise up the Brown fireroad to the saddle, go left and continue to Brown Mountain. Drop into the KB singketrack in the NW corner. Have a good trip. Stream crossings in the Gab add to the fun. This is a really noce 16 mile loop.
      James Seidner a 23 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Merlin Works 4.0


    • Trail UpdateDown In Jungleland-Rode this yesterday in the cool of the morning. Absolutely choked with bush, branches and Poison Oak. The bottom 3 switchbacks before you get to the Gab are pretty much HAB stuff. Looks like the whole hill down there is almost ready to turn into a landslide with the next big rain. Seems like every few years, the whole area down there gets rerouted, due to the trail being unsustainable. Feels like there's more trails to maintain than there is workers to maintain them?
      Ride at your own risk and be prepared to break out in rashes from the PO, it's inevitable with the condition it's in now.
      ConArtist a 44 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Titus Switchblade from The OC


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton - Whoooaaaa Nelly!!!! Bushwacking, hike a bike, crawling through poison oak up to my eyebrows, and a little riding mixed in between would describe my latest trip down Ken Burton on 5/17. The foilage has completely erupted since CORBA (OTBMBC's founder Hans Keifer and crew) last worked on it. I would urge those individuals who are sensitive to poison oak to steer clear of this trail. There is plenty of oak down along the Gab as well on your ride back to JPL.
      Have Tecnu on hand as you will surely be using it or itching up a storm


    • Trail UpdateBrown Is Going Off-The recent high winds and rain have made for EPIC conditions on the fireroad up to the Burton saddle. Take Brownie fireroad all the way up and then drop in on the Ken Burton down to Oakwilde and the Gab. Be careful as there are lots of newbs on their new X-Mas bikes as well as equestrians and hikers. Share the trail and be respectful of others please.
      nomadca a 39 year old riding a Santa Cruz Nomad from La Crescenta


    • Trail UpdateOops... closed until 11-05-2007


    • Trail UpdateClosed Due To The Fires-I called the ranger station and they said Brown will be closed at a minimum until 1-05-2007



    • Trail UpdateI agree with BillyGoat, the saddle sometimes looks like a Home Depot parking lot. Please pick up after yer trash and if u see any, and have room put it in yer plastic bag. Thanks y'all.
      Mongoose a 67 year old riding a spider


    • Trail UpdateHotter Than Hell-I rode to the Brown saddle then on up to Ken Burton yesterday mid afternoon as I do several times a week. OMFG it was hot! No wonder I only saw a few other guys. Lot's of trash at the Brown saddle. I wish everyone would protect the faorest and haul their trash out.
      Billy Goat a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 2007 Foes FXR 2:1


    • Trail UpdateDawn Mine Trail Is Hard To Pass-Hey, hikers: the trail up from Dawn Mine to the Mt. Lowe Road has a pretty precarious landslide blocking the way towards the top. 3 out of 4 people on Saturday didn't want to try crossing it.

      It's especially tempting if you come up from the bottom, since it's 9/10ths of the way up. But be careful, that whole slide could go down and take you with it.


    • Trail UpdateGrading On Lower Brown Mtn-Bob and I rode this wednesday, June 27th, morning.
      encountered a forest service crew grading the road about a mile below the saddle. we were headed up, they were headed down. the graded road was a little soft in the turns, but I've seen worse.
      a 53 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Cannondale from Alhambra


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton-I rode Brown Mountain to Ken Burton down to Gabrieleno/JPL today. Ken Burton is a great ride, but the lower part of the trail (beginning from about .5 miles before it connects with Gabrieleno) needs to be maintained a bit because certain parts are overgrown and the last switchback has washed out (though I'm sure some prefer it that way). Also, the trail has become more technical because the singletrack is uber thin at certain spots. Oh, and there was a small tree down halfway down the trail, but no big deal.

      I went back up Brown Mtn. to El Prieto. El Prieto is as awesome as always.
      KayGee a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized Stumpjumper from Glendale, CA


    • Trail UpdateBear Sighting-On Wednesday morning on the fireroad up Brown Mountain, a bear crossed the path about 10-15 yards in front of me. It was about 1/2 mile up from the trailhead (where right is Brown mountain, left is the Arroyo). It was about 7AM. I don't know bears that well, but I'm guessing it was a cub as it was not huge, but it was still pretty big. Forestry Service said it was normal, but just thought I'd put the word out. I ride this trail frequently and this is by far the largest wilflide I've ever encountered.
      MCMC a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Gary Fisher from Pasadena


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton-Burton's in great shape, THANKS CORBA! Ride it now to help keep it open. Intense as always while droppin into the Arroyo but with the brush cleared it was a blast. The river's low so most of it's rideable. Have Fun Out There
      R Hulett a 45 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Stumpy from Eagle Rock


    • Trail Updatereal, real easy


    • Trail UpdateHot And Brown-rode this again this morning. tried to beat the heat,but it was still excessive, especially on the last climb before the flat section. Seems like the road has been graded. was a bit loose in some sections
      a 52 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Cannondale from Alhambra


    • Trail UpdateNice Evening On The Hill.-This is going to be a story so scroll down to the last paragraph is you just want trail conditions.

      My buddy and I started around 6:30PM. It was warm today but it was not too bad at that time. The thing that killed me is that there was not one breath of wind. You don't realize how much that rejuvinates you until it's gone. I have been out of the saddle for a while so this ride hurt. I being such a nice evening I expected some traffic on this trail. I really have to agree with the previous poster. There's always a few ignorant or rude individuals who bomb down this fire road like wild men. There are lots of blind corners on this road and doing 30 MPH with no line of site is in no way responsible. I was forced off my climbing track twice by these types of riders. I think you are still supposed to yeild the right of way to those comming up. Not cool guys.

      One funny thing that came up on the trail was that my partner had to answer his phone (I know, it's lame). I didn't mind thought because I really needed the break. Some guy rode past us and said, "Leave the technolgy behind." I got a kick out of this because I ride a hard tail and alway will. He was on a full suspension bike with Fox forks and a "smart pedal" system, complete with hydo brakes. I just thought that was ironic.

      All in all, it was a good ride. I really need to get out more and rebuild my fitness level. The trail is dry and lose in some areas but in great condition. Have fun out there and be careful.
      Mrkcy a 29 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant Iguana from Temple City


    • Trail UpdateWatch Out!!!-I almost collided w/ a cyclist 2 days in a row. I know it's a thrilling ride down Brownie but, hell you're scaring the hikers and shit. I wonder why hikers seem to react to "jumping out of the way" when they see a biker descending.


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton-Hiking, bushwacking, crawling through poison oak thickets, and a little riding mixed in describes my recent adventure down the Ken Burton trail on 5/14. Amazed at how fast the brush exploded after the recent rains. I advise those sensitive to poison oak avoid this trail. Usually I advocate more riders to help improve a trails condition, though a weedwacker may be necessary to help this one out. Where can I find some lightweight clippers to strap on my camelback. And any ideas on what to place over the blade so I don't impale myself when I crash?
      donopro a Racer


    • Trail UpdateBrown/Ken Burton Trail-Did the Brown Mtn/Ken Burton loop today. Epic ride. One of my best ever. KB trail is in decent shape considering all the rains. Only a few spots washed out and not rideable. But there is A LOT of brush and overgrowth. So much in some spots that you must walk and push the brush aside. Get out and ride KB asap to help beat back nature before it reclaims this trail. The Arroyo creek trail was a water and rock/boulder fest. The creek is running fast and high and we crossed it at least a dozen times. Waist deep in a few sections. That and the light rain had us soaked. The trail in much of this section has been washed out and is not rideable. You spend a lot of time walking over big rocks. All in all, a super fun day of riding and hiking.
      Rob a 40 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a 10yr old Cannondale from Pasadena


    • Trail UpdateBrown To Ken Then Back To JPL-Did this trail on Wed. mid day--the trail is in great shape BECAUSE no one has been on it!...YEEE-HAAA. Did all but 2 switch backs. I cleared/cleaned off A LOT of fallen tree & Yucca Plants(p.s. I thought since the 18 foot dead yucca plants are so light & hollow I could ride right thru them breaking them in half!!!?? TNOT!!....The 1st one on the trail caused me to almost go OTB because it was positioned right at the head tube!)

      The KEN BURTON trail is in the best shape I have ever seen it BECAUSE it has not been used & the traction was incredible on the switch backs, there were even sections of the trail that had grass growth thus aiding traction. The trail does have some sections of heavy brush, BUT because it is in the winter right now the growth is slow & in most cases dormant---I would suggest doing this ride before spring because it will be WAY OVERGROWN unless someone deals with it.

      The bottom or the Arroyo Seco was very different to me then when I did it well over a year ago...DEEP water crossins & BOLDER CITY portage bike sections. I used to do this ride well over 15 years ago & I remeber when you could ride the whole thing!...Those days are looong gone.

      All in all it was fun to be out & away from the rest of the world on a Wed mid-day ride......would I go back??? Not for a long, long time---Ken Burton is fun BUT the bolder city non-ridable Arroyo Seco just aint what it used to be....for me I'll do El Prieto, hands down
      Matt W a 46 whew! year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Ellsworth Moment


    • Trail UpdateBear Up There!-Went out for a night ride to check out the meteor shower. I started around 9:00pm. The trail is softer that I remember but I think it may be because they recently graded it. That means that all the slides are cleared. At about the 2 mile point I met a rider coming down who informed me that he saw a brown bear running into the bushes. I thought that he was just pulling my leg but at about the 2.5 mile mark I noticed some tracks. I got off my bike to take a closer look and I am positve that they were from a bear. I just rode up to the saddle and back down. Just in case I cliped on my bell and rode a little slower. Take it easy up there especially at night.
      Kevin a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant Iguana from Temple City


    • Trail UpdateRode this on saturday, july 16th. it was very hot. saw a 4' rattler about two switchbacks above the exit of El Prieto. There is a dozer at the junction. looks like the road to Millard has been graded, and lower brown may be next.
      a 51 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Cannondale from Alhambra, California


    • Trail UpdateGot outta work early (hey, that's like getting extra hours tacked on to my life or sparing an extra fraction of my soul or whatever you wanna call it...) on Thursday at 3:00, so I thought I'd change my riding plan and instead of climbing Brown Mt. to El Prieto, I climbed up to Ken Burton. The climb was hot and smoggy. There's a landslide section on the way up that is ride-able but it's uphill, loose, and sandy so intead of fighting the gravity there, I decided to walk this portion. It's a long exposed drop to the left if gravity wins. As I expected, much of Ken Burton is overgrown. Fortunately, I had a longsleeve but I wished I had something to cover my legs as well. The worst part of it is the trail direction is obstructed by the growth and judging by the tracks left at various points, several other riders before me had probably careened off the trail into the brush. Obviously, the entire trail is not like this. In fact, I was beginning to think I was King S*!t after I had cleaned the first 7-8 switchbacks but I only managed to make a few of the remaining 10 or so due to the loose and treacherous conditions. The final switchback down into the streambed is washed away. It's probably ride-able if you're a psycho. Next up (the Gabrielino section I believe), is lots of trudging through boulders, mud, sand, and streams. I had to cross the stream numerous times and it was tough finding the trail. Believe me, there's no point in trying to keep your feet dry. I kept on following the rocks and the sandy patches and I was glad to finally climb on outta there. The technical downhill section (where they have that fence to your right) was fun as all Hell with one gnarly drop-off that I USED to clean but it's appearing a bit more jagged and evil-looking these days! On the way back to JPL there are some deep stream crossings (during one of them, my bike was submereged up to the fork stanchions) and that was that. I hope the tone of this update isn't too negative sounding because it's still an amazing ride and I had a blast but it is clearly humbling when less than a year ago I was able to swoop through this route with only a handful of dismounts. It will be interesting to see what this ride will be like in the future...
      Eck see a 35 year old Die-hard Enthusiast


    • Trail UpdateSlide Near Millard-If you decide to ride from JPL past El Prieto and down through Millard Campground, there's a slide just above the campground that is even tough to walk through if you're pushing a bike. Otherwise, it's all in good shape.


    • Trail Updatehi, was thinking of doing ken burton this sat before the rain on sun. so can someone tell me hows the trail is like recently? the guy below mentioned a landslide. is it still rideable? thanks for any update.


    • Trail UpdateBrownie Slide....-Major landslide at approx mile 5.30 from the gates on Windsor Ave climbing to the Ken Burton Trailhead along the Brown Mountain Fireroad. Becareful folks! It's passable w/ care. Just bring your cellphone just in case you start sliding down the mountaion as I did today.
      MrBlur a 136 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Mass Produced Enduro made by overworked children from Cambria, Ca 93428


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mt. Ken Burton-A buddy and I did the Brown Mnt./Ken Burton trail this last Sunday. I had wanted to do this trail for many years. Now that I have gotten back into riding, I thought it a perfect time. What a beautiful ride. From the top of Brown Mtn. we could see the ocean very clearly. The Ken Burton singletrack was alot of fun as well. Some spooky washed out switchbacks and the lower section overgrowth just added to the fun and adventure. The trail along the river below the watefall was pretty undefined, probably from the recent storms. Makes for a great 14 mile adventure loop.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 14 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50%
      Ross a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized Enduro Pro from Valencia


    • Trail UpdateLower Brwn Mt - El Prieto Cyn-rode lower brown mountain to el prieto saturday after the rain. SWEET. the fire road is aok, except for one minor landslide about 2/3 up. the el prieto canyon trail is PERFECT. there is quite a bit of water, and some of the narrow single track on the hillside is narrow and washed-out, but nothing too scary. the weather was perfect and nobody was ridinbg. go figure. the angeles forest is open for business.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change: 500 meters
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50%
      pastafazu a 40 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a ritchey hardtail


    • Trail UpdateTrail Is Open!!-
      I just called the L.A. River Ranger Station and they said that this area is now open for hiking & biking. Can't wait to get out there this weekend. For any updates you can call (818)899-1900.
      El Santo a Weekend Warrior riding a Giant from North Hollywod


    • Trail UpdateTrails Still Closed?-I thought the trail is still closed. You're not poaching are you?


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-WoW, have you tried riding this trail at night? It sure was real peaceful amid the city lights in the distance. It's a different environment at night. Wish I had a $200 system instead of this taped to the handlebar shit.

      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 14 miles Elevation change:


    • Trail UpdateLower Brown Mountain Road-I took my wife and 7 year old daughter to this trail a couple of weeks ago. It was a fun ride for the girls since the climb was gradual. The ride through the creeks was fun and challenging for my daughter. We started heading back after an hour of slow climb but did not realize it would only take 15 minutes to ride back. I recommend bringing any type of bug repellent. The lower trails may be boring for most riders but the best for a nice family trail ride. I'm looking for other similar trails out there so if any one has any recommendation, please let me know.
      Vladi a Weekend Warrior from Newhall E-mail: vladimirvillapando@yahoo..com


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mtn. Connector-I have not done a good ride in a couple of months so I just took a short ride up the Brown Mtn. Connector Rd and back down trying to build up my endurance again. I left the lot at about 2:00pm and wish I would have waited until later. Although it was only in the 80's it seems much hotter. The entire ride up is exposed and the heat rised off the sunbaked hill side like an oven. In addition to that there were only a few merciful breaths of wind to cool you down. The trail was as it always is. Be careful of some sandy spots in the corners if you come back down this way. About half way up I saw some deer tracks for 1/2 mile and a couple of snake crossing. The flies are really bad up toward the intersection at Brown Mt. Fire RD. They are really annoying and some were actually biting me(horse flies?). Bring the OFF because they have the West Nile Virus signs up. One last thing is that the city has posted signs at the bee hives informing the keeper that they are on Dept of Water and Power land and must remove all hives or they will be destroyed. Bummer!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 8 miles Elevation change: 1200' ?
      Dirt Road=75% Paved Path=25%
      Mrkcy a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant-Iguana from Temple City


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mt. Ken Burton-The work that has been done on Burton looks real good. The trail bed
      is getting real loose in places, especially in the switchbacks. Beware at
      the bottom - Oakwild camp ground has some stagnant pools of water
      in places, and the mosquitos are really bad, as well as right before you
      go up and over the diversion. I was completely swarmed this morning.
      Take some good repelent, unless you want to be eaten alive.
      Gpsser a 32 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a '95 M2 Stumpjumper Singlespeed from Eagle Rock


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mtn To Ken Burton-The ride up Brown was nice at 7:30 am. Met up with a local and chatted a bit. He was planning on just doing El Prieto but decided to tag along.

      The top of Burton was in great shape. The lower 1/3 was so overgrown it made it difficult to stay on the trail. At times the outside shoulder was too soft to ride. Combined with the heavy brush it made for a slow descent.

      PO was in full fury. We practically had to bushwhack through it. Luckily I'm stocked up on Tecnu. As usual the multiple water crossings are the reason I only ride this trail once every two years.

      All in all, good ride, good company. Good times...good times.
      Upchuck riding a TurnIFonaMOND


    • Trail UpdateBrown - Ken Burton-rode this trail 2 weeks ago -- cheers to the folks who did the awesome
      trailwork on the upper 2/3. still great singletrack but the brush has
      been trimmed down so you're not knocked off the trail. singletrack
      switch backs are in good condition and i was able to nail most of them
      without skidding or dabbing. this is the way to do trail work, no the
      highway job they pulled on the backbone trail in santa monica/will
      rogers -- what a shame over there (still a good workout loop but not
      as technical).

      the lower 1/3 of kb is still overgrown, lots of poison oak (i must be
      immune by now because no big rash), and if you're like me and still
      have bar ends, watch out you don't get yanked and crash.

      the bottom is still a pain... that creekbed is the only time during the
      ride i wished i was riding my full suspension instead of my "new" 99
      jamis dragon i just built up. the full suspnsion would only probably
      give me a couple more pedal strokes before having to hike anyways.

      water levels low on the creek crossings, but still fun.

      on the way back to the car, the little short singletrack off the right just
      before the jpl parkign lots been mowed/cleaned so not as fun and
      technical -- oh well.

      no bear sightings for me, just 1 deer.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Singletrack=40% Dirt Road=50% Paved Path=10%
      jksu2000 a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a jamis dragon/z2 bomber from los feliz, ca .edu


    • Trail UpdateBear Encounter On The KBT!!-The trail is getting dry and loose. Some sections you have to be very careful where you put your rear tire or you'll slide right off the trail and that can be quite ugly. On the way back up from the dry creek bed, as I was hammering up the trail, I caught a glimpse of a brown furry hump and thought it was a large dog off leash, so I slowed expecting the dog's owner to be close behind. Well folks, it wasn't a dog at all!! A big brown bear turned the corner about 25 yards away, my guess is around a 300 lb'er! We both stopped dead in our track, both startled from each others unexpected presence, the bear then went scrambling straight up the hill, I went scrambling right back down the trail I came up to a distance I deemed to be safe, caught my breath and thought the bear was probably more scared of me than I was of him!! ha..ha.. I waited around for about 5 minutes and started walking up the trail again, cautiously this time with my bike towards the hill side thinking if I need to use this as a shield...no more signs of Mr. bear, a good thing!! I quickly mounted my trusty Joker XC and went speeding back down to the Arroyo Seca trail. So folks, be careful out there, the trail is loose, the poison oak is thick and now a big brown bear. BTW, it was around 1:00PM when I had my close encounter.
      AB a 45 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a 04 Ellsworth Truth and Joker XC from Altadena


    • Trail UpdateBrown To Ken & Then JPL-Great time no problems the upper 2/3rds of Ken Burton trail has been maintained- the lower 1/3 is a Jungle! Still fun!
      Matt Westlake a 45 year old Die-hard Enthusiast


    • Trail UpdateWatch Out For The Poison Oak!-I did this trail for the first time with a friend early in the morning so there was no traffic what so ever. The climb up to Brown Mtn was pretty routine. Once we hit Ken Burton trail things got more interesting. The top part is nice and pleasant and not too over grown. As you descend down further, the brush gets thick and the poison oaks are in full force, so watch out! The trail is in pretty good shape no real big ruts to throw you off. The water level is low according to my friend who knows this trail well. The rock garden at the bottom was a challenge for me but nothing I can't walk through ;). A fun ride. Wear long sleeves if you don't want to get scratched up and also watch for ticks.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      AB a 45 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a 04 Gray Ellsworth Truth from Altadena, CA


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mtn's fireroad is in superb condition and
      very easy for most riders. (and if you thought it
      difficult once it ends at the Ken Burton Trail for you,
      turn around and go back down)
      Burton is overgrown and alot of the sage was
      slapping me on the helmet and face, but the
      trail was in great shape. I was on Burton at 1pm,
      yet saw noone (starnage).I have to give kudus for
      that work on it. Oakwilde was fun and the Arroyo
      water crossings were a pain in the butt as always
      but I am thankful for them anyways.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      The Real FatCat riding a 36lb Boat Anchor


    • Trail UpdateLet's Do This Somewhere Else-C'mon guys and gals...

      I appreciate everyone's opinion. But let's all agree to leave this board for trail reviews. We should all go the message or dicussion board for this.

      Brown Mtn is a great climb and leads to great views of the area below. El Prieto Trail is a fun ride through the trees. And a lot of work went into Ken Burton Trail. Let's all hope it continues to remain a fun riding area. We all go out there because we all share the love to ride. Remember to say,"Hi" when passing by your fellow mountain biker.

      Neckbone a 35 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from Lakewood


    • Trail UpdateThe Trails Are Closed People!-People, please respect the Angeles National Forest closure. If you don't, we will lose our trails. There are a lot of violations at the JPL parking lot, and the rangers and sherrif are starting to patrol there. Don't be stupid and lose the trails for everyone.


    • Trail UpdatePLEASE NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!-I'm posting the follwing with permission from Martin Gomez, President of The Pasadena Mountain Bike Club. Shape up out there, people. The San Gabriels are one of the most treasured riding areas in Southern California. It would be a crime to lose access there.
      Friends and fellow mountain bikers,
      I have to pass on some urgent and potentially incredibly BAD news from fellow PMBC (Pasadena Mountain Bike Club) member and mountain bike patrol guy, Mark Gage. He said that at the last Forest Service Volunteer meeting (at which he is usually the only mountain biker and is prone to catching the flak for all of us with zero back up from anyone else) the other local trail groups are pushing the District Ranger to close at least the Middle Sam Merrill and potentially ALL OF THE LOCAL SINGLETRACK TRAILS!!! That would mean all the good stuff on the front range of the Angeles National Forest above Pasadena and would leave us only the fire roads and pavement to ride. This is due to certain groups of drop off artists that cut the trail above the Circular Bridge area on the Mount Lowe Road to ride a steeper face onto the Lowe Road and are actually short cutting right through that historic landmark on the mountain! Please remember that I am NOT saying that all of the people who do drop off runs down from Willie (Mt. Wilson) are responsible for this.

      I've been hearing the complaints for years about these people-even from other bikers-and I have even played Devil's Advocate for these guys, saying that they are just new and don't know any better and I asked that we all try to inform these people when we see them of the error of their ways without being to confrontational and starting fights, but that time now has to be over. Obviously, the message is not getting across. We're now in danger of only being allowed on fire roads-which is exactly what some other trail users want for us anyway and according to Mark, one guy who was complaining at this meeting did so while grinning (at him) the whole time! Even the new District Ranger who at first was ready to work with all user groups including mountain bikers has tired of this problem not going away and is ready to shut us out. They've been hassling Mark at these meetings for months now about the yahoos cutting trails because you know I've said that we all get lumped together as a user group regardless of what good trail users most of us are because of a few knuckleheads that don't realize or maybe don't care about the consequences. Forest Service has wanted to know for a while who these groups are and when they do these drop offs so they could get Enforcement up there to cite them but no one has come up with that information and it seems they would rather close the trails to bikes, then send Enforcement so they can write heftier tickets and silence the hyenas who want us out. It's time to rat out these people who will cost us our trails! The Forest Service is interested especially in the pay shuttle service to Wilson. If you ride these trails and do follow the rules of the trail, don't put that full suspension bike away yet. Please continue to ride responsibly as a good example to these other guys and to the non-bikers who think we are all freeriding, tire-skidding, horse and hiker scaring, Hells Angels. If you know these people I'm talking about, let them know that they're screwing it up for all of us and we just can't let that happen.

      Attending these volunteer meetings would be good-so Mark can have some back up-as well as doing trail maintenance with groups like The Mt. Wilson Bicycling Association and CORBA who are now doing trail work in the local mountains. Join bike patrols like Mark's to help spread the word or maybe keep him company since he works on the Merrill mostly by himself. Sweat equity helps-most of the time-when other groups are trying to show how irresponsible and destructive mountain bikers are. These trail short cutters are counterproductive to what we've been working for in the last 15+ years. I've done way too many hours of trail work with the Mt. Wilson group, on the Merrills, the Burton, Sunset Ridge, El Prieto, Gabrielino and other trails in the last ten years to let myself be limited to the fire roads. If that's all I'm going to be allowed to ride, I'm sure not going to make time for trail work in the future and I might as well get used to my road bike.

      Tell your friends, acquaintances, and everyone else on two wheels to fix this problem and to not cut trails or make new pirate stuff like the lame shortcuts on El Prieto that are only for people who have no skills to ride the real trail and had to go around some of the best, most technical, turns on the trail. If you have friends that drive up from other parts of town to ride our epic stuff, give them the skinny too so they don't inadvertently jack things up for us. It might be normal for downhillers to not give way in other parts of Southern California but not in the San Gabriels.

      Thanks for reading my rant and for being responsible trail users,
      Martin Gomez

      spread the word!!!!!!!!!!


    • Trail UpdateKenny B Is A Little Overgrown...-I rode it Mon. with no pads or anything, and made it through okay. Although I was going pretty slow, and making sure that I was missing all the poison oak.
      Oakwilde is thick with hungry mosquitoes! They chased my arse all the way up the hill to top of Gabrielino!
      Gabrielino is in good shape, and I had lots of fun all the way down.
      Made for a great ride after work!
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 15.2 miles Elevation change: 2468'
      Vick a 35 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Kona Roast from Culver City


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton Conditions-Has anyone done Ken Burton lately? I'm new to the
      area and I'm trying to explore the local trails. If
      anyone has taken Ken Burton lately, I'd like to hear
      how the condition of the trail is and if it is still too
      overgrown to bother with until later in the year.
      Scooter a 26 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized Stumpjumper from Pasadena


    • Trail UpdateI'm on of the locals around here who uses this trail frequently. We do give a shit about cars being broken into, as we use the trail area too. Please report it to LA County Sheriff's. They've been extremely helpful regarding any problems (626) 356-5555.


    • Trail UpdatePark By JPL Instead-I rode the trail today about 1130 and it got warm. Went all the way up and down to El Prieto. It's warm and dry and El Prieto had good water flowing for the crossings. I'v noticed several posting regarding vehicle break ins. I exited on Foothill and drove into the park where the frisbee golf course is. If you park and ride from here it puts you on the trail just above JPL's parking lot. It's a larger park w/ several people, so hopefully there won't be as many problems. I haven't had any problems so far, but that doesn't say that they don't exist. And remember TO SAY HI TO FELLOW BIKERS GOING BY,,, DON'T BE RUDE OR SNOBBISH!
      Neckbone a 35 year old riding a KHS


    • Trail UpdateTHIEFS ARE STILL HERE-Just a reminder to all fellow riders. The LOW LIFE LOSERS are at it again here. Just had my vehicle
      broken into and had credit cards taken. These people should
      be SHOT on sight. They are smooth enough that they only
      took two of my cards so not to draw attention. They wasted no
      time in charging over $6000.00 one day later. What a way to
      have a nice ride ruined. Too bad the locals allow this activity
      to go on. Again,, JUST A WARNING. IF you see this going on,
      take a baseball bat and crush their freaking skulls.
      MBM a 41 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn Homegrown XT from Westminster


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mt. To Ken Burton-Great day on a great trail. Fireroad up was smooth and fast, some new slides and bolders on the road. Watch out on Ken Burton for poison oak. This trail seams to have poison oak top to bottom. At the bottom the creek is deep and cold.

      Enjoy yours


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain & Down Ken Burton-Rode up to Brown Mountain via the fire road from JPL towards El Prieto. Conditions could not be any better! Very tacky & no loose stuff! I still don't get how people have to skid on the switch backs??? I cleared all but maybe 3 ...all without locking up the tires....P.S. I aint no slo poke either!....In fact I would love to take on some of these downhill "gotta skid up the trail instead of the race course wannabees"(he,he)Over all the ride went awesome with the stream running pretty deep!(I also have not gotten that wet in a while either, bike always works better overall when not immersed...plus I hate to have to clean it after such a wet ride!) I have not been through that canyon in at least 5 years! I have ridden up it to Redbox way back b-4 suspension & then I remember having the very 1st generation Manitou Gray & riding up to Redbox!....I honestly forgot just how fun that canyon was! Over-all at a casual pace ..stopping for horses & being kind to trail hikers it took approx. 2hrs 10mins.!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 14.9 Elevation change: Up & down !
      Matt Westlake a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized Enduro w/Spynergy Xyclone Disks :)


    • Trail UpdateNight Ride-We went night riding a couple nights ago on the trail. When we were on 2N65 (approximately 5-8 miles into the ride from the lot overlooking the JPL center)we saw a cross with someone's name and a date to the left of the trail. Does anyone know what happened there? Did someone die?
      Mike a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek from Irvine, California


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mtn/Ken Burton-Hit the trail early hoping to avoid the heat. The lot
      was already full, so looks like everyone else had
      the same plan. Overcast for the climb to the first
      saddle, and was nice to the top of Brown Mtn. Ken
      Burton was good as always. It could use some
      bushwacking thiough. Trail was a bit soft in many
      places and the poison oak was abundant. All in all,
      nice ride, not too crowded, and best of all...It was
      THURSDAY.. No Work..Yeah Baby!
      Now this is how you celebrate July 4th..
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: some Elevation change: some more
      Singletrack=45% Dirt Road=55%
      MBM a 44 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn Homegrown XT from Westminster


    • Trail UpdateBrown Moutain-Rode it yesterday,the fireroad climb was a good work out as usual. Someone had put up the American flag at the top of the climb a couple of months ago but unfortunately it either flew off or somebody took it down. The El Prieto single track was in good condition and dope to ride. This ride is not like Lower Arroyo-JPL but it forks out to it.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 8.6miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50%
      LOS a 30 year old riding a Special Enuro from Monterey Park


    • Trail UpdateKen Burton Trail-Great ride--climb is nice and cool this time of the year. S/T was in good shape--a little loose, but nothing out of the ordinary. Lots of brush, though--a little pruning is definately in order. Not much water in the Arroyo, either. Once down into the Arroyo, there were lots of hikers, but everybody was friendly. Watch out for the two guys pushing Huffies up the S/T. Not sure where they thought they were going.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50%
      SurlyTrade a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Sugar from Pasadena


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain (El Prieto)-Rode this trail for the first time today! Do not know anything about past conditions, but many bikers on the trail assured me that the riding was really prime at this point in time. Great ride! The uphill(fire road 2N66) was a decent workout, but not too intense, the downhill sections (fire road 2N65 and the El Prieto trail) were great. I really loved the El Prieto singletrack. The trail is a little bushy and filled with poison oak, but pure pleasure. I am looking forward to riding this again in the next couple of days. Being pretty inexperienced (only been riding for two months) I would suggest to others like myself to be careful on the El Prieto section, the swithbacks are pretty tight and there are lots of rocks and little drops to deal with. If I would have been using my clipless pedals I would have been eating dirt or worse, thankfully I was riding my girlfriends full suspension with toe clips today.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: No computer, maybe 6 miles Elevation change: 350m-750m ?
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=75% Paved Path=5%
      Michael a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Gary Fisher Sugar 4 from Los Angeles


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-The Regulators MTB Club rode this trail last night, we had 9 riders, not bad for a night ride. There was a lot of traffic as we started to climb, but it is nice to see people out there on their bikes. The trail was sweet, very well maintained. We rode as the sun went down and got to the saddle right as it got dark enough. We decided to go back down the trail because a few guys did not have lights to do El Prieto. The trail flowed really nice, the conditions were great and the weather could not have been any nicer. Join us for a Thursday Night Ride, look for us at www.ClubMTB.com
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 10 miles Elevation change: ???
      Dirt Road=80% Paved Path=20%
      George Olivos a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a bad ass GT XCR 3000, A Regulator MTB Club Member from Boyle Heights URL: The Regulators MTB Club Home Page


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-Just a quick followup since no one's posted since June. The loose dirt from the grading is long gone; the ride's smoother than it was in the spring. The change is nice; keeps the ride from being too familiar (at least until we ride it more).
      Dave a 44 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 8000 from Los Angeles


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain Fire Road-Took a ride on Brown with my buddy Friday morning (6-18). The early road was churned up and showed tractor treads--and then we heard the dreaded "beep-beep" backup warning of heavy equipment just ahead. Yes, the road was being graded! Fortunately, we passed the grader in the first half-mile--and on the downhill met him about a mile-and-a-half up. I don't know how far up he was planning to go, but the road has changed character. Kind of fun on the downhill--everything's familiar, but the lines are all gone. Anyway, we're going to pass on Brown for awhile until the road is more packed down.
      Dirt Road=100%
      Dave a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 800 from Los Angeles


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain Fire Road..-Yes !!! The fire road has been cleared to the water towers. Thanks to the Forest Service and many volunteers for accomplishing this monumental task. The fire road is smooth all the way. Crater filled and landslides cleared. It's awesome! Just noticed that Brown Mountain summit suffered fire damage recently.
      Charles a Cross-Country Rider riding a Got stolen


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mtn./ El Prieto-It's CLEAR! The fire road in now rideable to the top. The slide has been cleared and the crater filled. This is a great time to ride, El Prieto is in great shape (watch out for poison oak) the trail is lush with plants and flowers. Give a wave or say hi to ALL on the trail! (no bike snobs or brake sliders, please). Ride on!
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=80%
      Bob a 40+ year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Klein, Mantra from God's green earth


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mt. - CORRECTION!-Sorry, one small clarification, the crater was filled in and the road graded BUT the slide has not been cleared YET. There's been some work on it but you still have to portage your bike over!
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=80%
      a 43 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Klein from La Crescenta


    • Trail UpdateBob-Just rode this Sat. and the fire road up to the water tower has been graded and is in great shape! El Prieto (the single track below the saddle) is also in great shape and is a good workout to ride UP!
      Thanks to the Forest Service and all the volunteers for the hard work! Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=80%
      Bob a 43 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Klein -Mantra from La Crescenta


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain Land Slides-Above mile 3.5 at the saddle, Brown Mountain fire road is damaged by a major slide at mile 5.22 if you started from the JPL parking lot. Before reaching the major slide, the fireroad has been damaged by water runoff and created a crater courtesy of the EL NINO weather phenomenon. Both the crater and land slide will completely stop motorized vehicle access on this road. The size of the crater is huge! The El Prieto Canyon trail is in superb condition thanks to numerous volunteers. Notice the erosion control materials that are in use to help control erosion.
      Charles a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Y-33 FS from Eaton Canyon in Pasadena


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-The descriptions given by the previous two guys are accurate, with one minor exception. The trail that splits off to the right of the Gabrielino is actually called Fern Canyon Trail, as it follows the edge of a place called Fern Canyon. At about 3.5 miles and 1200 feet above the split, it joins Brown Mountain trail at the saddle. To the right is Lower Brown Mountain, and to the left is Upper Brown Mountain.
      Dirt Road=100%


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-The ride, after it splits at the entrance to the forest to the San Gabrielino trail and the Brown Mountain foreroad has much more in both directions. Brown Mountain is a fireroad all the way to the top (about 5 miles) and at the top has a wicked singletrack descent which rejoins the fireroad after about 2 miles. Also, at about 3.5 miles up the fireroad there is a fork/saddle. If you veer right, down the other side, you will be heading east on a different fire road, but after about 800 meters there is a singletrack which splits off to the right. It is VERY easy to miss, but well worth all the boring parts preceding. Very technical, with several 20 foot drop offs if you lose control. The OTHER way at he fork (San Gabrielino) does end at the waterfall after about 4 gradual uphill miles, but right before the end the trail goes up the right and over the top of a dam. After another 5-6 miles you arrive at Switzer campground, which has a parking lot off of the 2 (Angeles Crest) about 200 yards off the trail. The whole section from the waterfall/dam to Switzer is similar to Brown Mountain - remote, challenging, hilly, and FUN! It's amazing to think that it's only 20 minutes to downtown.
      Singletrack=40% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=30%
      Chris Tregillis a 29 year old from Pasadena


    • Trail UpdateBrown Mountain-The first mile is mostly paved downhill. Follow the path until it becomes a dirt trail. About another 1/2 mile in there is a fork in the trail. The trail leading up on the right is known as Upper Brown. It consist of a steady climb mostly dirt and desert. It's a good workout for intermediate to advanced riders. The left path, Lower brown is a straight forward trail with a modest climb and 4 or 5 easy water crossings. It ends at a water fall about 3 miles in. It a in and out trail. Should be fairly easy for beginners if they take it easy. It makes for a good workout for advanced riders if they hammer it in and out.
      SingleTrack=10%, DirtRoad=85%, PavedPath=5%
      Alex Tham a 30 year old cross-country rider from Brea, CA {atham@earthlink.net}


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